User talk:SimmeD

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Antoni Włodzimierz Hübner

Please withdraw your false report. I have provided information about the source of the photo. The photo comes from the Hübner Family Home Archive; it is my own work.

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_H%C3%BCbner#/media/Plik:Antoni_W%C5%82odzimierz_H%C3%BCbner.jpg Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:13, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@Mateusz Hübner - Hi, I've removed the “no source tag” and changed the source based on you’re message above. However, do you know who took the image? I see the the person on the image died more than 70 years ago, so the copyright would fall on the photographer unless anything else is stated? — SimmeD (talk) 08:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I see that @Masur also have been in contact with you about the exact same image, and it has been deleted before? —SimmeD (talk) 08:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

No one has contacted me about this, and the photo was removed without my knowledge. Legally, I am free to publish this photo. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:27, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. The photographer died over 70 years ago, so the photo may be in the public domain. Therefore, I have legally published it. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:26, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

It’s not in public domain by default when the person in the picture dies, it’s when the author dies, and in this case it could be the photographer that hold the rights. Maybe @Masur can help answer this? — SimmeD (talk) 08:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Both the author and the photographer have been dead for over 70 years. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

That's why I'm asking you to leave the photo Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps you could add the

This work is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 70 years or fewer. You must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States.  Note that a few countries have copyright terms longer than 70 years: Mexico has 100 years, Jamaica has 95 years, Colombia has 80 years, and Guatemala and Samoa have 75 years. This image may not be in the public domain in these countries, which moreover do not implement the rule of the shorter term. Honduras has a general copyright term of 75 years, but it does implement the rule of the shorter term. Copyright may extend on works created by French who died for France in World War II (more information), Russians who served in the Eastern Front of World War II (known as the Great Patriotic War in Russia) and posthumously rehabilitated victims of Soviet repressions (more information).

This file has been identified as being free of known restrictions under copyright law, including all related and neighboring rights.

https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/mark/1.0/PDMCreative Commons Public Domain Mark 1.0falsefalse information to the description? I'm not entirely sure how to do that correctly.@SimmeD Mateusz Hübner (talk) 08:46, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I've done a bit of research based on Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Poland, and this is how I see it. Poland used to have very short copyright rules for photos, only 10 years after the photo was taken or published. So an old photo from the 1930s or 1940s would have lost copyright long ago. But in 1994, Poland changed the law and gave all old photos new copyright again, now lasting 50 years after the photographer’s death. In 2003, this was changed to 70 years after the photographer’s death. Because of this retroactive law, even photos that were public domain before 1994 became copyrighted again. Today, a photo is only public domain if the photographer died more than 70 years ago. For old studio portraits, we usually do not know who the photographer was, so we cannot prove that the copyright has expire yet. If the photographer was about the same age as the man in the picture, born around 1902, then he is almost certainly dead today. But for the photo to be public domain, he must have died before 1955. The chance of a man born in 1902 dying before 1955 is maybe 40–50%. So it is possible that the photo is public domain, but we cannot be sure. Do you know who took the picture? --SimmeD (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

My father mentioned that the photographer was an acquaintance of the Hübner family. This version was likely passed on to him by his mother, my grandmother, as he himself couldn't have known (he lived from 1944 to 2023). The photographer was supposedly much older than Antoni Hübner and likely died before the outbreak of World War II. However, I am unable to verify this information. If we checked every photo this way, we would have to remove most photos from the Polish Wikipedia, including those of famous people. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 17:30, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

According to legal experts in my country: https://poranaprawo.pl/archiwalne-fotografie-prawa-autorskie-do-starych-zdjec/?utm_source=chatgpt.com. This text from 2025 states, among other things, that if a person has been dead for many years and there is no basis for protecting their image, publication is permitted. Furthermore, in the case of anonymous photos or those where the author is difficult to identify, the protection period is counted from the date of first publication – and is 70 years from that date. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 17:48, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

The photo we're discussing was taken in the 1930s, so it was first published around 90 years ago. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Please let's not confuse "publication is permitted" with PD/free license (per if a person has been dead for many years and there is no basis for protecting their image, publication is permitted), as the latter is required on Commons. Also, please do not ascribe the authorship to yourself, as this is a false statement and a copyright violation. The photo under discussion is a so called "orphan work", and per COM:PRP cannot stay, unless its legal status is 100% clear. Happens more often than not. Masur (talk) 19:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

I acknowledged myself as the author due to an error when adding the photo. This is my first Wikipedia post. I also emphasize that the legal status of the photo is clear and consistent with Polish law, which Wikipedia recognizes. The author is long deceased, and the photograph is family property, which I can freely dispose of. I am prepared to pursue my rights legally, and if necessary, in a broader forum. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@Masur what do we do from here? —SimmeD (talk) 07:31, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

SimmeD, I will take over and see whether I can reason with Mateusz Hübner, as his understanding of the Polish (c) is a bit skewed. Thanks. Masur (talk) 07:45, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Looks like there are multiple uploads by same user, that might have the same issue as the one we are discussing right now. I think the sysop tools is needed from here :-) Let me know if I can help at any point. Thanks. — SimmeD (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I've made corrections to the descriptions of all the photos. They were previously incorrectly labeled as my own work, as I was adding my work for the first time and learning. Now they are correctly labeled. I've submitted the Antoni Hübner photo for publication on a Polish research website. It will be verified soon. For now, it belongs to my family's home archives. However, it meets the requirements for publication on Wikipedia even without an online source. So, please leave it alone and be patient. Mateusz Hübner (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2025 (UTC)